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Twitter Reveals How Far We Have To Go Before Street Harassment Ends

Over the weekend, there were a number of articles about Femme de la rue, the new film by Sofie Peeters which documents the daily sexual harassment that the final-year film student undergoes each time she steps out into the street.

Caroline Crampton wrote about it for the New Statesman, in the process sharing a disturbing story of her own, about being chased down the street by a man at ‘half-past eight on a weekday morning’, after she refused to acknowledge him. She revealed that when she tweeted her experience, she received many responses from women relating their own stories.

Writing in The Guardian, Angelique Chrisafis also covered the film, noting how ‘at any time of day, [Peeters] would be greeted with cat-calls, wolf-whistles and jeers of “slag” and “how much do you cost?”’ Apparently her female acquaintances had gone to extreme lengths in their attempts to avoid the unwelcome attention, including changing the way they dressed, the routes the took, even where they looked.

The problem is clearly extreme.

But despite the clear prevalence of this unwanted attention, as revealed by the film itself and the articles about it, an exchange I had on twitter starkly revealed to me how far we have to go before even the most ostensibly open-minded of men understand its extent.

On the day that the New Statesman and Guardian articles were published, I saw that a well-known male journalist had tweeted a link to the Guardian piece, accompanied by the comment ‘shocking but not surprising story about sexual harrassment [sic] in Belgium- bet its [sic] very similar in the UK too’.

The phrasing of the tweet expressed some doubt (‘I bet’) about the extent of the problem in the UK; as a woman who lives in the UK, I thought I would help to relieve that doubt. It seemed like a great opportunity to further educate a man who seemed open to understanding the female street experience.

So, not expecting a response, I told him ‘it is’ and backed up my claim by letting him know that, ‘I don’t know a woman who doesn’t experience this on a daily basis’.

So that was that, I thought.

But then I did get a response – and it was by no means a pleasant experience. The tweet read: ‘my wife for one…extreme statements don’t help’.

Now, let’s ignore for the moment that ‘my wife for one’ doesn’t actually make sense as a response to a tweet that speaks about people that I actually know. (I know neither him, nor his wife.) Let’s also ignore the fact that this man felt so confident about speaking about his wife’s daily experience; I know I never really speak about these kinds of things with my partners – and I don’t know that any of my friends do either. But I don’t know him – maybe he and his wife have nightly discussions about her trips out of the house every day – who am I to judge? Finally, I do my best to ignore the proposition that someone who doesn’t experience this is in a position to tell me, someone who does, what does and doesn’t ‘help’.

But what I would like to draw attention to, is that this man, who doesn’t know me, doesn’t know where I live, doesn’t know who my friends are, felt capable of dismissing out of hand the experience I had chosen to share with him. And not only this, he felt able to label it as ‘extreme’ – aka ‘untrue’. In short, he felt in a position to judge both the truth and the relevance of my comment.

When I read the tweet, I felt like I’d been hit in the stomach – and at first, I wasn’t entirely sure why. The tweet wasn’t aggressive in any way, there was nothing obviously wrong with it. But it niggled at me for the rest of the day.

And I eventually realised what had bothered me so much. It was because it felt like so many of the other reactions I’ve had online from certain men, when I’ve spoken about my experiences of street harassment. It has been belittled, it has been dismissed as ‘not that bad’, it has been placed in the ‘context’ of ‘what happens to men’. The ways of rejecting, of wiping out my experience have been myriad. But they all come down to the same thing: there remains a significant proportion of men who either can’t, or don’t want to, accept the reality of the situation faced by so many women from the moment they step out onto the street.

And I suppose the reason why it hit me so hard in this case, despite it not being nearly as bad as the far more insidious rejections, the far more aggressive put-downs, is that it was entirely unexpected. When dealing with men’s rights activists, one expects to have one’s experiences denied and belittled. You go in expecting it, and you gird your loins.

But when a respected journalist, who himself tweeted (and therefore presumably had read) the article, did this, it had an unexpectedly forceful impact: when a man like this denies your own experience to you without any qualms, when a man like this feels capable of judging a woman he doesn’t know, and so confidently, so flippantly dismissing her own experiences, then we see how deep the disbelief runs. Getting this was a depressing moment. Because until more than fifty per cent of the population recognises this as a real and present problem, there seems little prospect of it stopping. And we’re clearly not there yet – not by a long shot.

57 Comments on “Twitter Reveals How Far We Have To Go Before Street Harassment Ends

  1. herbsandhags
    August 6, 2012

    I actually expect men to dismiss my experience now, unless they are card-carrying feminist supporters. Even well-educated progressive men seem to have a kneejerk response of automatic dismissiveness when told about women’s experience.

    • Week Woman
      August 6, 2012

      So sad – I’ve genuinely never experienced it before, apart from the expected MRA reactions. Was such a shock – I know it sounds dramatic, but I actually felt betrayed.

      • herbsandhags
        August 6, 2012

        No, it isn’t over-dramatic, it’s a real wake-up call – for me, it was the realisation that most men can’t be relied upon as allies as their privilege really does blind them to a whole load of stuff they refuse to recognise. It’s become a litmus test for me.

      • Week Woman
        August 6, 2012

        I suppose so. Just didn’t expect to have an outright denial of *my own experience*, not only from a journalist I respect, but someone who doesn’t know me at all. Who could he possibly think he is to judge without any knowledge? Frightening display of how oblivious people are prepared to be.

  2. Simon
    August 7, 2012

    Thanks for writing this article. Your point about not really speaking about street harassment with partners was interesting – I’ve never actually had a partner or female friend bring up street harassment with me, even knowing I’m a pro-feminist. It was only when I started reading about the subject online, on websites devoted to women sharing experiences of street harassment, that I actually realised how big the problem was. Until then, around 2 years ago, I had absolutely no idea. I don’t think men realise because it never happens when you’re with a woman, it’s when women are alone, and perhaps most women don’t feel comfortable talking about it (unsurprisingly).

    I’m not defending men who dismiss women’s experiences in the slightest mind you – it’s appalling and ridiculous for them to claim they know better when they/we just don’t see it. When I started becoming aware I asked some close female friends about street harassment and every single one of them has experienced it regularly since they were teenagers. It was a huge eye opener for me to realise how prevalent it is, especially because as a male you really are blinded to it when on the streets. Also men who don’t understand it’s not “just” one comment (which would be bad enough) – it’s comment after comment, potentially every time you walk around outside.

    I don’t think I can ever truly understand the threat of street harassment and how it makes women feel because I will never have the threat of it, nor fully comprehend exactly how intimidating it can be, but I hope I can do what I can, I talk to friends about it, and knowing that other men dismiss it and do not even try to realise how widespread a problem it is angers me.

    • Week Woman
      August 7, 2012

      Thanks so much for this comment – really heartening to read. When more men start thinking like this we really will have a revolution on our hands.

    • Blunt
      August 7, 2012

      I don’t like calling this harassment of women. That would be bad enough but I think it’s better to be blunt with just how brutal and disgusting opportune “by-passer” sexual harassment is.

      I was 12 the first time it happened to me and it happened to me (and my friends) a lot more when I was 14 than it does now that I am in my late 30s.

      When you are yelling “slut”, “how much” and offering rides on various parts of your anatomy to a 13 year old stranger, that’s not harassing a woman.

  3. MJ
    August 7, 2012

    I think his comment paints a great picture of why a lot of men think this way though. I could see my husband possibly thinking that I don’t get harassed often, because I don’t tell him every time it happens, because I’m used to it. I’m fairly attractive and ever since I hit puberty I’ve been ogled at and cat-called in the street. If my husband is away and I go out dancing I usually stick by a male friend because I know if I don’t I get groped and have to physically push drunken men off me. This has been happening all my life, so of course I don’t tell me husband all about it every single time since it’s a normal part of my day. The exception is if something particularly bad happens. But then doesn’t that just add to the problem? He probably thinks that’s all that happens, a really bad egg every now and then. He doesn’t realise that all those men who “look at me” when we’re together that he laughs off and feels proud about would be far less respectable about it if he wasn’t there to look sideways at them.

    • Week Woman
      August 7, 2012

      Thanks very much for posting this comment :)

  4. hilary
    August 7, 2012

    i am a 38 year old woman. it hasnt happened to me for about 10 years now. it used to – all the time. i fully support you and all those trying to fight back on this subject. i also share your feelings about this man tweeting you so dismissively (that kinda shit makes me soooo mad!).
    i do want to point out though – it really doesn’t happen to all women, nor to all female-bodied people. it’s a minor thing, but when i was with a bunch of women-friends recently and they were all saying how it happens to them on a daily basis (and they are similar in age to myself) i started to feel like what’s wrong with me? because as i say it hasn’t been happening for so long. not that i miss it, god no, but just yeah it played on my insecurities i guess.
    then i spoke to a trans woman friend of mine and she said she often felt the same when other women talked about how common it is, and yet she very rarely experiences it. i guess that’s just another way it hurts us all, cos when i’m the target i get upset and sometimes scared (often quite rationally – they can be very scary) and when it doesn’t happen it can (if i let it) upset me in quite different ways.
    finally, i spoke to a butch lesbian friend of mine and she has never ever experienced it at all. whereas me and my trans friend have, just not often or not for a while. i am a femme lesbian, the friends of mine who were saying it happens to them a lot are also fairly femme presenting. nobody deserves this happening to them, we should be free to wear what we want and present how we want. i’m not suggesting for a second otherwise – just in case anyone reads that as some sort of wierd judgement on myself and my friends :)
    but please bear in mind it really doesn’t happen to every single woman, and not being targetted does not make us any less women. older women are still women. trans women are still women. fat women are still women. etc etc etc. those who aren’t targetted are also victims of this, just in different ways.

    • Week Woman
      August 7, 2012

      Thanks for this very important comment. Of course women are not any less women if some idiot fails to ‘appreciate’ them in the street. It’s the patriarchy that would make us feel like that. Like the the idea that rape is about sexual attraction when it’s basically just about power – which is what I think most street harassment is about. And when they don’t shout out ‘appreciatively’ they are the type of people who would assert their power in other abusive ways – by shouting out abuse. It’s so sad that you sometimes let it upset you. Please try not to – it has nothing to do with how you look and everything to do with how much an idiot feels like asserting their power over you, and asserting their masculinity to their friends. Pathetic really.

      • hilary
        August 8, 2012

        thank you so much. i was scared my post would be read differently to how it was intended but clearly you get it! mostly i don’t let it upset me, just sometimes it can add to an underlying insecurity about not being like other women. mostly i do know better than that :)
        your comments are spot-on imo.

      • Week Woman
        August 9, 2012

        You might like to think of this next time you let the patriarchy make you feel shitty: http://onion.com/O7rEaY :)

  5. one angry girl
    August 8, 2012

    street harassment made me so angry that i started a feminist t-shirt business. it was either that or strangle one of those men.

  6. zoekatarina
    August 8, 2012

    LOVE THIS POST. And great comments! Such a good discussion. Lots to think about. Sending this link to all my gals right now.

    • Week Woman
      August 8, 2012

      Hooray! So glad you enjoyed it! And yes, am loving the comments!

      • zoekatarina
        August 8, 2012

        My sister had a read and made this interesting comment:

        “[blahblah]…But i am studying single sex education at the moment. It is making me so frustrated because although it is found to be very benificial for girls (higher self esteem, more likelihood of taking subjects and activities outside the socially sanctioned domain of girls, more likely to aspire to higher education) it is criticised because it is not beneficial for boys, who become more likely to have social problems, and become almost entirely unable to see points of view other than their own when educated in single sex classrooms. This is becauses the dominant perspective is always a male one, so if they are not educated alongside girls, they literally NEVER have to think about a female perspective until they leave school and it is too late, the way they think has been established. A female teacher who wrote this chapter describes how she would try to bring it to her class’ attention and they would attack her, and clearly saw it as an ‘academic’ and irrelevant perspective, a devil’s advocate type role she was adopting, not a legitimate alternate perspective. That is what that male journalist was doing; completely obliviously silencing her perspective like it was nothing. And simultaneously turning any of this unwanted, unsolicited comment his wife might have to deal with into a boast about himself. It makes me so angry. And i know that i am going to favor all the girls in my classrooms”
        Hehehe @ the last bit.

  7. Week Woman
    August 8, 2012

    Thanks for posting this; that was exactly how I felt when I received the tweet. It was a horrible feeling.

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  9. Sam
    August 9, 2012

    Could it be possible that this guy misread/misunderstood your tweet as referring to all women, not just women you know? He seems to me to have responded as such.

    In that context, “extreme statements don’t help” is a borderline-reasonable, if rather undiplomatic and rude, response. Not all women do experience street harassment. Making generalisations – or “extreme statements” as he badly puts it – isn’t a helpful way to discuss anything in an adult fashion, is it? (and yes, I am aware of the irony inherent in my generalisation of that position)

    I don’t know the guy in question. I don’t know you. But it seems perhaps more fair to assume that he simply made a mistake than he was “dismissing your whole experience.”

    It certainly doesn’t seem fair for you to assume that in this guy’s head “extreme == untrue”, any more so than it would be fair for him to assume that you weren’t telling the truth or that your experiences weren’t relevant.

    I could be wrong, of course. You could have got tweeted by some idiot who genuinely thinks you’re a liar and your experiences are irrelevant. But I’d always rather assume stupidity over malice. Innocent (albeit quite rude and unthinking) until proven guilty, eh?

    • Week Woman
      August 9, 2012

      Strongly disagree over interpretation of ‘extreme’ as not necessarily meaning untrue. If it’s true, why should there be a problem with its being extreme? There is no doubt, as I noted in the article, that the problem is extreme. Therefore, making ‘extreme’ statements should not be considered negative – which his tweet clearly implied it was. As a result, I can see no other interpretation of his ‘extreme’ comment, other than that he thought my comment was untrue. I fail to see any other way of interpreting it.

      As for his misreading my tweet – maybe – but having, again as I noted in the article, repeatedly experienced men who don’t experience street harassment repeatedly thinking that my experiences are somehow exaggerated and, yes, untrue, he certainly wouldn’t be the first man to dismiss our of hand the female street experience.

      • Sam
        August 9, 2012

        As I explained, the way I interpreted ‘extreme statement’ was as ‘generalisation.’ As in “generalisations don’t help” – which they don’t. Generalisations might be, strictly speaking, untrue – but “not 100% true” is very different from calling someone a liar. It is untrue that all women suffer from harassment in the street. Claiming it is (not that you were) isn’t useful to anyone – as I’m sure you know, that’s not how adult discourse occurs.

        Of course, that reading is somewhat contingent on his misreading your original tweet, but I don’t think that’s an unreasonable assumption to make. Just because some other men have dismissed you, it doesn’t follow that this guy has done.

        “Clearly implied” is an interesting choice of words. Because for me there wasn’t any clarity. But I always try to assume thoughtlessness rather than malice when I’m not sure what someone meant. I didn’t used to. I used to be angry like you. But I’m too tired for all that these days. I can’t face a world where everyone is pushing some hidden, sometimes even to them, political agenda in every offhand comment.

      • Week Woman
        August 9, 2012

        Must refer you to response where I already dealt with this – you are just repeating yourself – I shan’t bother to do the same.

  10. Fizzygoo
    August 9, 2012

    “extreme statements don’t help” Help what, exactly? It doesn’t seem like anything he’s said has helped at all. How does brushing aside a voice in the conversation help? Not to mention how is “I don’t know a woman…” extreme?

    Another thing that is disturbing (to me, at least) is that in reading his initial statement “…bet its very similar in the UK too” I took it at face value (I tend not to get/see/hear sarcasm until it enters the realm of melodrama). It sounded, to me, like he was saying “yeah, two western cultures in the same general geographical region probably both have the same levels of harassment [and therefore we should watch this film and read Chrisafis' article with empathy and pay close attention to see if we can find ways to end the harassment of women (and all peoples) here in the UK and the rest of the world].” Projection is the love-slave of Privilege. I want to be aware of my privilege and so I projected that onto the 140 character tweet of another man and thereby overlooking the very issue I want to be aware of. But clearly my initial interpretation was wrong based on his reply. Which leaves one spiraling in towards neurotic synaptic gaffs.

    But, in short (too late), I recognize [hopefully fully] that this is a problem, that sexual harassment…that assumption that a man or men, and his or their desires, trump even the most basic rights of women to go about their lives [let alone the lack of equality in all other aspects/realms] is a problem that persists. And it needs to end. Now.

    • Week Woman
      August 9, 2012

      Thanks very much for this comment – always heartening to hear about men who understand the implications of this kind of behaviour

  11. ApuCalypso
    August 9, 2012

    I’m aware that dismissing the experiences of women, especially in cases where men don’t or even can’t have experience themselves, is a problem in this debate and I’m not defending this behavior. However, in this particular case, I think it is quite possible, likely even, that there is a simple misunderstanding.
    Considering the fact, that the mentioned, well-known male journalist tweeted a link to an article about the movie in the first place, seems to indicate that he wants to raise awareness that street harassment of women is a problem, right ?
    Now, the way I see it, the two tweets following that first one are somewhat ambiguous in how they can be read.
    For the first one ‘I don’t know a woman who doesn’t experience this on a daily basis’, I’m guessing the intended meaning is, that you, personally, don’t know a woman who doesn’t experience this regularly. However, it could also be understood as meaning ‘every woman, everywhere experiences this daily’, which would be quite a generalization. If one, for whatever reason, interpreted the tweet in the latter fashion, the answer isn’t unreasonable or dismissive, but rather a counterexample to a generalization, that’s maybe perceived as unwarranted. Followed by a warning that such generalizations aren’t helpful.
    Of course it is possible, that said male journalist is a complete ass and doing exactly what you think he is doing. But did you consider that this might be a misunderstanding and try clarifying that before writing him off as an ass ?

    • Week Woman
      August 9, 2012

      Refer you to response to person who made exactly the same point.

    • Week Woman
      August 9, 2012

      Also suggest that you read comment immediately before yours

      • ApuCalypso
        August 9, 2012

        Yeah, got distracted while writing that comment, so I wasn’t aware somebody else had made a similar point.
        That being said, I still think it is most likely, the guy thought you were making an unwarranted generalization and was a bit rude in his response.
        If he was generally dismissive of women’s experiences, why would he have made the first tweet in the first place ?

      • Week Woman
        August 9, 2012

        Who knows? Can only speculate. However I imagine, though can’t be sure, that he tweeted thinking that this was a particularly bad example.

    • Fizzygoo
      August 9, 2012

      Even after going back and re-reading the exchange…the best I can understand the guy is that he was annoyed at having his grammar corrected…but that still wouldn’t warrant a dismissal of the non-grammar-comment part of the text the way that he did. Something like “eek, my bad on the ‘it is’ ” or “couldn’t fit apostrophe in character limit.” with an added, “Harassment is bad.” Would have been at least civil.

      So even if his annoyance/anger was seated in having his grammar corrected…he then took it out on Week Woman’s womanhood by dismissing her comment with an anecdotal account about his wife and a “pffft, you’re over-reacting by being extreme you silly woman,” capstone. Conscious of it or not, he dismissed her outright (and hasn’t replied in that conversation with any clarification as of this post)

      But the way I default-hear the first two tweets is “[Non-sarcastic] I bet it is this bad in the UK too,” he says. Week Woman responds with, “Yes, yes it is…as helenlewis said…” so as a reader… I’m happy (about the direction of the conversation), everyone’s happy, they’re all agreeing that Harassment is bad according to my interpretation of the text but then he replies with “my wife for one.”

      And I cannot see, at least at this point, any way of making “my wife for one” fit into the narrative that I have been reading into the first two texts.

      I can see it working as part of the being rude narrative, ApuCalypso, almost; He was generally concerned about harassment and makes his first tweet. Dislikes the generalization and/or correction to his grammar in the reply…but I’m stuck at why would someone genuinely concerned about the treatment of women, by men, would then drop to being rude to a woman (with ‘woman’ in the title of the username)? Mean people exist but, well, I guess it’s just hard for me to accept that someone would do that consciously. (On top of being a reporter, communicating to an audience as primary job)

      It does, however and unfortunately, fit a narrative where he is initially sarcastic, dismissive, and/or flippant about the level of harassment directed at women in society. It also fits the narrative that he *knows* women are overreacting about harassment because he *knows* and can speak for his wife (and therefore all women) with certainty. And if this woman on the intertubes isn’t going to agree outright with him then “she needs to be told she isn’t helping”…or “stfu” in short.

      Hopefully it’s just miscommunication. And if he comes out and says, “sorry for the miscommunication, I meant this, I thought you mean that, and believe me I’m working to end harassment,” then great. But it’s not tasting like that’s what’s going on.

      • Week Woman
        August 9, 2012

        Thanks for this. FYI, the grammar was only corrected in the article!

      • Fizzygoo
        August 10, 2012

        Ah, hehe, see with my fear of my own grammatical errors I focused on the ‘sic’s and assumed, in reading the article and before looking at the tweets themselves on twitter, that after you quoted his original tweet with the annotated ‘sic’s, when you then wrote “I told him ‘it is’…” I took that to mean you corrected him in your first tweet. Which is all totally my mistake/bad reading of the article.

        And again, in the conversation of the tweets themselves it does come across as “It is [a problem in the UK].”

      • ApuCalypso
        August 10, 2012

        The main point I was trying to make, was that if he did indeed misread her statement, it would, at least from my perspective, have been more constructive for her to try and follow up on his reply. Best case, she finds out that he misread her statement because of ignorance and biases he maybe wasn’t even aware of and she gets to educate and make him more aware of the problem in the process. Worst case he actually is an ass and her perception of his reply was accurate.
        Either way, in the absence of further information I’m going to attribute ignorance over malice.

      • Week Woman
        August 10, 2012

        I did actually. No response. I also sent him the link to the article. He did respond to that; said thanks for sending, but didn’t want to respond on twitter. He’s had a chance to retract.

      • Fizzygoo
        August 10, 2012

        @ApuCalypso: “I’m going to attribute ignorance over malice.” That’s how I prefer to interpret things and I think is generally a best-approach to texts, emails, and twitters…though I take it one step further and repeat the mantra, “they aren’t being hostile.”

        But, to Week Woman’s credit, she did reply to his text with something along the lines of “But I don’t know your wife, hence my statement [that she doesn't know a women that haven't been harassed on a daily basis] is still valid.” (which is a paraphrase. The original conversation happened on the 3rd or 4th of August and Week Woman is, well, prolific on Twitter and I’m not in the mood to hunt for the original quote via twitter’s slow-load on older tweets). And that’s where the conversation ends. He had no follow up.

        That, and that his original tweet and her reply can be construed as constructive/positive and that it is his reply that causes the confusion…the ownership of clarification is on his shoulders. Perhaps his lack of reply is because he is writing up a long article for the Guardian…one can hope.

      • Week Woman
        August 10, 2012

        Aha! Beat me to it :)

        Oh dear hope not *too* prolific! Just so many things to talk about / fight against!

      • Fizzygoo
        August 10, 2012

        Ha! No, not “too prolific” in a bad way. I’m a once-per-day tweeter/twitter/twit who knows he’s far to long-winded to attempt to get into any conversations with anyone so he sticks to shyly posting to forums now and again and leaves his tweets to fictional 140 characters or less posts of entertainment. But I am following you now, so I may brave a reply now and again :)

  12. Hilary
    August 9, 2012

    thanks for the onion link i love it :) (and also am much appreciating your way of dealing with the repetitive and boring comments…) big respect x

  13. Cass (@cass_m)
    August 10, 2012

    I have to admit that casual derogatory comments don’t happen to me often and I don’t tend to mention them but the last time it happened, it did really bother me. When I told my husband he asked what I did to the guy. I said ignored him (noticing it would have been a “win” for him); what else could I do, run after him and key his car? The trouble is that much of these things are so accepted you look like the crazy one if you do anything in response.

  14. Sian
    August 10, 2012

    Interesting article. The orginal tweet does seem to be implying a request for responses, so to get all minimising and defensive when one comes back seems weird. Also, if he’s objecting to the statistical reliability of your group of friends and acquaintances, coming back with a survey group of one is pretty perverse.

    I relate to Hilary’s response. I don’t tend to get harrassed often these days. When I was in my early twenties and went to clubs groping was pretty frequent, and sadly considered par for the course. Usually we’d whip round to confront the man, but as all we could see were a group of male backs, it didn’t really seem practical to take it any further.

    These days, it’s occasional acts of aggression on the street, usually as a result of me having the temerity not to cede to others who are clearly in a hurry and far more important than me. They make me feel more invisible than singled out.

    Usually I’m wearing jeans and boots or trainers and any feminine wear is covered up by a raincoat.

    So the other day, when for the first time in over a year I went out in a sundress (which was nearly ankle length) and got groped in the street I was pretty shocked.

    It was a youngish man, probably around 20 years old and he came right up behind me, whispered good morning right in my ear and grabbed my bum. He didn’t just pinch it, he actually made sure his hand went right underneath so it was almost between my legs. Then he ran away.

    I don’t know what the appropriate response to that was, but my response was to shout after him not to fucking touch me and to call him a filthy cowardly little fucking pervert.

    Probably not all that constructive, but he was running away, so I was unable to engage him in any kind of conversation about respectful behaviour and gender equality. It made me feel marginally better than saying nothing.

    I don’t know if he was happy to have got a rise out of me or if being called a cowardly little pervert had any kind of chastening effect. I can only hope.

    He didn’t hurt me or threaten me, but it was unpleasant and left me a bit shaky. And it subsequently left me wondering, like Hilary, if the reason I don’t usually get groped or wolf whistled is because I don’t look as feminine as the next woman. Which really pisses me off, because obviously being harrassed isn’t remotely flattering.

    I haven’t worn the dress since, even though I know that what I wear is of no consequence really to anyone who goes about sexually assaulting women and I have no idea whether this particular man would have done the same thing to me if I’d been wearing my jeans. Still it has made me think twice.

    • Week Woman
      August 10, 2012

      Thank you so much for sharing your story. What happened to you is *so* awful; I feel huge rage on your behalf and wish I could have been there so we could have chased the little fucker down together.

      As you say, the likelihood that your clothes had anything to do with the assault is fairly minimal; I really feel that street harassment has more to do with power than anything else. It’s a way for a certain kind of insecure man to remind us that they ‘own the streets’ – and the fact that they’re cowardly is illustrated by his running away. Sickening and pathetic.

      But even if it did have anything to do with your dress in this instance, it’s sickening that we still live in an age where certain men still hold such primitive attitudes towards women and their right to self-determination over access to their bodies. Our bodies are not public property no matter what we wear.

      • Sian
        August 10, 2012

        That would have been awesome – you and me chasing him down, he wouldn’t have known what hit him! As it was, it was about 11.30 in the morning about fifty yards from my front door, and there was nobody else around. I felt quite unnerved but mostly really bloody angry! The worst thing is how powerless I felt not having any way to get my own back. That probably sounds a bit juvenile, but hey, that’s me!

        And you’re right, I’m not going to let the snivelling little fucker psych me out of wearing what I like!

      • Week Woman
        August 10, 2012

        Wouldn’t it! And it doesn’t sound at all juvenile. I know exactly what you mean – one of the main feelings other than fear that I felt when one of my worst experiences happened to me (written about here if you’re interested: http://weekwoman.wordpress.com/2012/07/14/the-threat-of-rape/) was blinding fury – still feel angry now. It is sickening that some men feel that they can do this to us – and that they find it funny how powerless we can be in this type of situation.

    • Week Woman
      August 10, 2012

      Ps, please don’t let this snivelling excuse for a human being prevent you from wearing whatever you damn well please!

      • Sian
        August 10, 2012

        I just read the post you linked to, then on to another, etc… so it’s taken me a while to get back here. I really like your writing style.

        That sounded REALLY scary and running into the shop was definitely the right thing to do. Maybe they wouldn’t have done anything, but you don’t really want to bet on that. And what they did was more than bad enough, keeping you trapped in there for fear of what they might do. Who do these arseholes think they are? It really makes you wonder what wrongheaded, disgusting and pathetic thoughts infest their brains the whole time. Do they actually think this makes them look like big strong manly men?

        I agree with you about the rape jokes. The most offensive comedians seem to be the ones that get most defensive about being challenged. So what, are we supposed to just sit there and listen politely? Actually, maybe with comedians a well organised silence could be quite powerful. Nothing scares a comedian more than a crowd not laughing.

  15. Week Woman
    August 10, 2012

    Thanks very much! Just starting out on this, so it’s lovely to get positive feedback :)
    As for your idea re organised silence – YES! Though might be quite an expensive way of protesting – don’t think those tickets come cheap!

  16. Sian
    August 10, 2012

    Yes, I haven’t figured out a way around the ticket price yet. It would be counter-productive to be lining their pockets too. It would need to be some sort of public forum or panel show where you can get free tickets.

    I followed a link to your article from Skepchick, and I’ll be keeping a look out for more posts from you. Keep up the good work!

    • Week Woman
      August 10, 2012

      Yes I noticed I had a load of people from skepchick – no idea how I got on there! And thanks v much :)

  17. Aubrey
    August 11, 2012

    Thanks so much for this post! Sorry you felt dismissed by the journalist’s tweet. I can’t wait for the day that women or anyone who isn’t a white cis-man can walk down the street without experiencing harassment. I can rarely walk to the grocery store (which is just one block from my apartment) without being catcalled. It’s awful, it puts me in a terrible mood and sometimes really creeps me out. Anyway, thank you for speaking up about this!

  18. Bix
    August 11, 2012

    It’s not ‘extreme’–or even ‘over-generalizing’–to address an issue that is so prevalent, all over the place. It’s not as though every last woman on the planet has to experience street harassment for it to be considered a serious issue. You spoke about your experiences, and those of women you know, and he basically responded with ‘It hasn’t happened to my wife, so there’. It’s really delegitimizing. I have also been told I was overreacting by someone I considered an ally. It hurts. And I would be curious to hear from his wife.

    I think many men have blinders on with this topic, maybe because they believe that if they don’t do it, it must be very rare. Most men aren’t going to observe harassment firsthand, unless they’re with someone who does it. In my experience, they also don’t understand the feelings of vulnerability that accompany street harassment. It’s really, really unpleasant.

    So men, talk to your girlfriends, wives, mothers, daughters, sisters, and friends. It really is more prevalent than many of you think, and so much of it gets swept under the rug as something that women simply endure as a matter of course. And frequently they hesitate to bring it up, either because they’ve accepted it as a common occurrence, or they’re afraid of the belittling ‘It’s not that big of a deal, it could have been way worse’ reaction.

  19. miraaanda
    October 16, 2012

    Dismissal and disbelief are attitudes I’ve come to expect when I try to share my street harassment stories, particularly with men who don’t have to worry about it.

    And personally, when a women I know tells me they don’t have too many street harassment experiences, the general tone is always, ‘thank goodness I don’t have to deal with that, not ‘so therefore street harassment isn’t a problem.’ That journalist shouldn’t be speaking for his wife, and he definitely shouldn’t be speaking for the experiences of you or any other woman.

  20. Feminisme EU (@FeminismeEU)
    October 24, 2012

    In Holland there is this commercial: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLN2jS3tnMw&list=UU3wVuYyHyjvx4tPnPNKfeqg&index=6&feature=plcp

    Apparently the shop doesn’t see women as customers…..

  21. vinod
    October 25, 2012

    Sexual harrashment is a global problem, there is no doubt about it. In india, we see extreems of it almost daily even in metros where people are expected to behave in a little more civilized fashion than the rest of the country. Now, the other issue. What I believe even if someone does not understand and respect the misery of a woman, let us not bother about him. Putting out such views is nothing but exixtential crisis for him. People might have diffrances on issues but this is something about agression on womenhood and must be understood and checked the way one can do.

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